Who’s telling the truth?

2 Jun

Watch the video below to decide for yourself!

86 Responses to “Who’s telling the truth?”

  1. beaney June 2, 2010 at 1:28 am #

    Well, if staffing has nothing to do with quality patient care, then why replace us at all on June 10th? Lets test your theory, Maureen. For once and for all, it will be scientific proof that sick people don’t need nurses. TCH is insane.

  2. Dave June 2, 2010 at 2:41 am #

    But. bu bu b B B But… LOL

  3. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:42 am #

    Thank You! Thank You! Thank You! Wow! Great Video! How do we get this out to more people? Go MNA! Go Minnesota nurses! Go California nurses! Go RNs! I love the color RED! If I dye my hair red I suppose they would fire me? I can’t stand to look at Maureen much longer!

    • Bunny Engeldorf, RN - United Hospital, MNA Union Steward June 2, 2010 at 11:12 am #

      How can they fire you if you happen to make a mistake with the dye, it has happened to many unrelated to a work issue!
      You can share to your facebook site!

  4. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:44 am #

    Is there a way that I can copy this video so that I can E Mail it to everyone that I know. Then I’ll have them send it to everyone that they know. Please let me know how to E Mail this great video!

  5. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:57 am #

    Make sure to click on the 5 stars to rate this video! The Votes will keep going up!

  6. OldRN June 2, 2010 at 3:23 am #

    You are STILL not giving EVIDENCE that what you want is what is appropriate. Where do you get data? Give the reference! Give the numbers! Your website and your talk are as inflaming as the hospitals, and this video is manipulated so much it is nothing more than propaganda and it does not support your case! It just makes you the “other side”. I have been a nurse for 30 years, worked horrible jobs, work now and MNA and staff nurses are still just spouting sound bites and not convincing me of a damn thing!

    • mnnurses June 2, 2010 at 1:45 pm #

      OldRN: Here is a link to the study mentioned in the video. There are numerous studies on the staffing issue showing more RNs on the floor saves lives and improves patient outcomes. This is just the latest study: http://mnnurses.org/news/press-releases/national-study-more-nurses-less-deaths

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:17 pm #

      OMG! What kind of nurse are you? What kind of person? You would rather work in the nursing world that the hospital is proposing verses fighting and working to make it better?! Making the nursing profession better for the new nurses, making nursing better and SAFER! The EVIDENCE slaps us in the face every shift we work! Where do you work or do you just like abuse?

  7. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 3:54 am #

    The hospitals are having a huge tantrum! Instead of listening to their nurses they would rather cut off their noses to spite their face!
    They are having brain farts or something! Are they not right in the head? Are they running on all of their cylinders? The public is going to start wondering about them…
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  8. donna hamilton June 2, 2010 at 4:21 am #

    Sharon Mason did a wonderful job keeping her cool and staying on point with that “woman” from the hospitals. We as nurses must remain unified and strong in our belief in ourselves-the “hospitals ” obviously do not.

  9. RN TWIN CITIES June 2, 2010 at 5:36 am #

    This is awesome! Get it to all the news channels STAT! Hope this Maureen doesn’t get sick in the twin cities area hospitals….. No one will take care of her “based on the research”, she will be number 14 for the nurse to take care of for her patients assignment for the night, and trust me, probably last to answer her call light…

  10. Bunny Engeldorf, RN - United Hospital, MNA Union Steward June 2, 2010 at 11:11 am #

    Well done, we have always spoken the truth

  11. rn4ptcare June 2, 2010 at 12:35 pm #

    AWESOME VIDEO!! Hospital management:
    Getting the message yet?? It’s about patient care. We want and need our ability to advocate for our patients written into our contract.

  12. STEVEN June 2, 2010 at 2:01 pm #

    Greed, I know the hospitals are struggling

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:42 pm #

      13,000 California Nurses
      12,000 Minnesota Nurses
      25,000 Nurses that are saying
      “STRIKE VOTE due to unsafe staffing…”
      Are 25,000 Nurses all wrong about what is happening in the hospitals?
      You say: “I know the hospitals are struggling…”
      They made $327,000,000 in net profit! I won’t even get into what their CEOs salaries are because it is millions and the figures have been repeated so many times that I’m getting ill just hearing how much they make! Especially when there are people that are REALLY struggling.
      The plain truth:
      Twin Cities Hospitals put profit before patients!

  13. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:31 pm #

    Uh… not so much…
    What we see as nurses is patients struggling because there are not enough nurses to take care of them… What I see is unacceptable workloads that put undue pressure and stress onto the nurses… What I see is patient care being compromised… What I see is patients and nurses taking up the slack and taking the brunt of what was created by Big Business/CEOs so that they can create profit margins so that the money can go into their pockets!
    “There are none so blind as those who will not see…”

  14. Steve June 2, 2010 at 2:34 pm #

    Thanks for posting. It is first and foremost about the patients. Let’s have an outcome that truly supports that!

  15. Linda June 2, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    PLEASE STOP ALL THE BACK STABBING. This is getting worse by the day and I am sad to see that the self proclaimed ‘caring nurses’ are so UNCARING even to the point of making sure that ‘Maureen’ who is simply stating her opinions would not recieve care or at least be last on the list to get care from the RN’s and may become one of the mortality numbers because of it. What other patients that you don’t like who they are would you let die because of something they said or did? Very sad and not at all supporting the whole concept of patient safety. Maybe you need to say selective patient safety. Hearts are being hardened. Relationships being damaged, maybe forever. The history and existence of a union is based on an adversarial relationship with management and uses all kind of fear tactics to gain the support of its members. Take note that we are living in 2010 with a multitude of laws / regulations that protect workers that were not there in the early 1900’s when unions were establised. I will state again that leadership at ANW / Allina truly cares for all staff and I fully trust that will do what is right for ALL. I stand tall and proud to be an employee of ANW / Allina. Based on my years of work at ANW and relationships I have with RN’s, I still believe in the ANW nurses and believe that they can stand up against all this negativity and move the culture to a positive and healing place. I back you to do that 100%!!!

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 3:32 pm #

      12 News Investigates for Non-Profit Hospitals
      Go to: http://www.youtube.com
      1 BILLION dollars in profit in 2006!! And only 1-2% for charity. The investigation could have gone further to find out how much the CEO’s are paying themselves. Non-profits shouldn’t make millionaires out of CEO’s. Mike Hatch (former … See More attorney general) tried to tackle this issue here in MN in 2005-2006. He exposed the sickest abuses of the non-profit money. Exotic vacations, golf club memberships, extreme bonuses etc etc. After he got through the entire Allina Board quit.

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 7:58 pm #

      How to Fake Ethical Leadership
      By Old Mac | Published: June 2, 2010
      ShareFew would disagree that 90 percent or more of a hospital’s value lies within the nursing staff’s desire and ability to provide consistent, quality health care. It’s the nurses who provide the day-to-day recovery experience once the doctors have delivered medical and surgical treatment.

      In that respect they are no different from other service organizations; it’s the employees who make for either a good or bad experience with your business. And a bad experience is the primary determinant whether customers will return or refer others. Pretty simple model, right?

      So, let’s look at the decision Allina Hospital’s CEO Ken Paulus recently made during the breakdown of negotiations between the hospital and the nurses union.

      Allina Hospitals & Clinics is a Minneapolis-based network of hospitals, clinics and other health care services, providing care throughout Minnesota and western Wisconsin. As such, Paulus’s problems are purely parochial. Yet the nature of this conflict can offer all of us a teaching lesson in ethical leadership—or the lack of it.

      Here’s the background: The majority of the 12,000 nurses working at Allina recently voted to strike if agreement on a new contract wasn’t reached by a May 31 renewal deadline. The deadline has come and gone; the nurses have now been set against 14 Twin Cities hospitals for June 10.

      So what does CEO Paulus do? He sends an email to the hospital’s staff (the administration, not the nurses, as they are represented by a union) warning them of the seriousness of the negotiations. He also announced that — get this — he will refuse his paycheck until a settlement is reached. Paulus added that he and his leadership team will be the first to go on unpaid furlough if a strike ensues and continues for an extended period. A hospital can’t operate efficiently without nurses so to stay in business Allina will have to rely on expensive non-union nurses, and even then, vital corners will have to be cut.

      While refusing pay may seem like an act of ethical leadership, it’s irrelevant to the issue. When speaking of ethical leadership, it’s not just an individual’s actions that count. An organization first has to be aligned for success as a whole. Parallel interests have to be in place. How can interests be aligned here at any level between the customer (patients) and the company (Allina)? The nurses and the Minnesota Nurses Association (their union) even commented on the CEO’s gesture to refuse pay. They basically said, “Who cares?” All they want is a contract that meets their needs. His move has no impact on that issue whatsoever. As for the admin staff at Allina who are the real employees of the hospital, while it might be nice to see their CEO “cares,” if his offer doesn’t impact the issues which divide, they score few points with any of the stakeholders.

      Look at it from the customer’s (patients) viewpoint. “Hey, I’m layin’ here floppin’ around and whatnot trying to get better and the guy running the place is going to work for free because his hospital can’t figure out how to provide me proper care. How nice for me.”

      If Ken Paulus really wants to make a statement in ethical leadership, then he should stand up and scream that the whole business model is flawed. What individual in their right mind would lead an organization where neither he nor she can align interests? I know it’s a complicated operating model with all kinds of equipment and facility issues that require leadership and staff but all that’s form over substance to the patient. People respond to the care from other people and not the value they get from nicely painted walls, high-tech machines and a streamlined paperwork process.

      Ethical leadership actions, displayed inside the bubble of an anti-ethical business model, are moot. There’s simply no opportunity for operating the right way when you have little to no impact on those who provide the most important aspect of your business.

      Smells like some kind of PR stunt.

      There aren’t nurses out there that actually bought into this are there?

  16. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:49 pm #

    Boston non-profit hospital CEO puts girlfriend on payroll after laying off nursing and ancillary staff. Beth Israel CEO Paul Levy Sorry For ‘Lapse Of Judgment’ – wbztv.com
    Paul Levy, the CEO at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, is apologizing for a lapse in judgment that will cost him $50,000.

  17. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:51 pm #

    Part Two: (why is Minnesota media so silent?)Tax Exemptions For Non-Profit Hospitals-Part 2
    Collen Henry continues her look at the tax exemptions for non-profit hospitals.

  18. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm #

    This is what real journalism looks like, Minnesota.12 News Investigates:Tax Exemptions For Non-Profit Hospitals
    Non-profit hospitals are receiving large tax exemptions. How is that costing us money?

  19. new rn June 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm #

    If it’s not about the monet, as we all state. Then let’s go for the staffing levels we want, with a 3yr 0%, 0% and 0% raise and let them do what they proposed with the pension. That WILL show them that it’s not all about the money!….EVERYONE with me???????waiting????

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm #

      Because… the pension item is what thousands of nurses negotiated for, fought for and won years ago. Those nurses already paid for that pension being in our contract becasue… they bought it with their blood, sweat and tears. I will not buy back what was already paid for in full. Nor will I discredit what my fellow nurses fought so hard for to win, so that future RNs could also benefit! NO Takebacks!

    • Jeff June 8, 2010 at 1:37 am #

      Again, I say: just because some issues center around fair compensation & benefits does not mean that there is no moral component: fat-cat CEO’s making millions of dollars, 10′s of millions being poured into “facilities”, and 100′s of millions in profits while the wage-earner slowly has pay & benefits whittled away–corporate greed at its finest. And don’t say “well, nurses have it better than many others” because that is no justification. Just because others have lost adequate health care, pensions, fair pay, etc. does not mean it’s right. Remember that labor unions in this country are responsible for the 5-day work week, the end to sweatshops & child labor, fair pay, employee safety, etc. All are moral & ethical issues…

  20. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 3:11 pm #

    Oh my gosh! You gotta see this!
    12 News Investigates for Non-Profit Hospitals
    Go to: http://www.youtube.com
    1 BILLION dollars in profit in 2006!! And only 1-2% for charity. The investigation could have gone further to find out how much the CEO’s are paying themselves. Non-profits shouldn’t make millionaires out of CEO’s. Mike Hatch (former … See More attorney general) tried to tackle this issue here in MN in 2005-2006. He exposed the sickest abuses of the non-profit money. Exotic vacations, golf club memberships, extreme bonuses etc etc. After he got through the entire Allina Board quit.

  21. Linda June 2, 2010 at 3:23 pm #

    This is just the latest study: http://mnnurses.org/news/press-releases/national-study-more-nurses-less-deaths

    Latest Study? Primary data is from surveys of nearly 80,000 RN’s in 2006 (none from MN)!!! Think about the changes in HealthCare in the past four years. It cites a study period between 1993 and 2001 when more RN hours per patient day were associated with lower mortality for patients with acute myocardial infarction AND, of course, the greatest improvements were seen in hospitals that started with the ‘worst staffing ratios’. Have to wonder if back then just like today it is an increase in knowledge of the illness and better technology to monitor the patient condition that improves mortality. It also states that improved nurse staffing had no impact on reducing falls or pressure ulcers. Process improvements and constantly finding better ways to do things does make a difference. If CA is so good because of legislation why are they striking? READ CAREFULLY RN’s. Research can be done and written up in ways that may not be accurate. That is why we have research questions, evidenced based practice and awesome resources at ANW to help find the truth. Ask questions. Don’t just accept what you are being told. Think about the technology improvements, protocols, procedures for making sure patients are safe. Universal Protocol is a great example. If done for every patient, every time – wrong site, wrong procedure, wrong patient events are reduced to zero!! Today getting the patients with acute MI into the Cath lab quickly is saving lives. The excellent cardiovascular team at ANW working ALL together is saving lives. No matter what unit you work on it is every person committed to providing excellence in patient care, teamwork and showing appreciation of each team member for the essential role each plays in the care of the patient. That is the culture we have developed at ANW and is what makes it a great place for patients to get care and for staff to work. Let’s all work to build back on that foundation that our leaders have created for us.

    • mnnurses June 2, 2010 at 3:34 pm #

      Linda, the RNs in CA are striking because the hospitals are not following the state law related to patient ratios.

    • mnnurses June 2, 2010 at 3:36 pm #

      Linda – what is your role/job at ANW?

      • Linda June 3, 2010 at 4:25 pm #

        I work in Quality / Patient Safety. Have been at ANW for 20 years – in patient care over half of that time. Been a nurse for 40 years so certainly have seen the changes in health care and have always had a big focus on improvements in both patient care and working relationships. I have a passion for nurses and the great work they do. I am also very aware of the economy and the major struggles for individuals and organizations to make ends meet. When I raise questions and make attempts to end the disrespectful comments, name calling and conflict creating behaviors it is not because I don’t support nurses. It is because I do support respectful relationships and healing environments. When all this is over, whatever the outcome is, relationships and trust need to be rebuilt. The more hurtful comments that are made the harder that will be. I know many nurses at ANW and I can’t imagine that the majority are feeling good about this negotiation period. ANW RN’s are caring and respectful and focused on excellent care for patients and their families. I again say that ANW has great leadership who are very supportive of all staff, they are open to conversation and ideas to work toward improvements in care of patients and families. I don’t believe ratios are the only part of what we can do to improve safety for patients. How about looking at the way we do our jobs and think about how we can do our work differently, more effectively. Nurses are creative and able to solve problems that they face every day. Would love to see discussions to look at new ways of nursing care and not minimize the potential for change in ONLY ratios. Most of all I am saddened by all the NEGATIVE and hurtful comments. They do nothing to promote the profession of nursing. For whoever labeled me as a ‘FAKENURSE’ I would love to sit down with you and share some of my experiences as a REAL NURSE caring for patients: holding patients hands as they take their last breath, helping families as their loved ones die, support and help patients as they learn about a new diagnosis and treatments, perform emergency care to save a patients life, to admit a patient to the hospital and make a very scary experience more manageable because I was there for them, listen to patients stories as they share the complexities that their chronic illness has created for them including loss of family/friends/job/finance/home etc., AND doing all this with a patient assignment and the cares required to do cares for each of them. If one of my patients was having trouble I asked for help. Not every person working is having a crisis at the same time. Teamwork, collaboration, respect go a long way in creating a safe and caring environment for patients, families and staff.

    • JC June 2, 2010 at 7:01 pm #

      Linda, awaiting your reply…what is your job at ANW?

      • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 7:44 pm #

        Linda… hello, are you out there? Inquiring minds are wondering and waiting patiently for your reply. I would wonder if your name is Linda, Thomas, John, Sarena, or how about KASSIE! or how about the smiling face icon that we have been seeing lately. (We liked Erics smiling icon because we knew who he “really is”- Eric with a “c” not a “k”. Do you randomly pick these names out of a hat? Just wondering…

  22. Novice RN June 2, 2010 at 3:45 pm #

    I do believe this collection of video clips is not a good example of providing accurate information. Statements always need to be evaluated within their context and presenting clips like this out of context seems very propagandaish (I know its not a word :)) The main reason I voted to reject the contract offer was because it failed to address staffing. It is not about the money for me. I would forego a pay increase and give up some benefits(pension, etc.) if it meant better staffing so I could give better care to my patients.

  23. beaney June 2, 2010 at 3:59 pm #

    Linda Fakenurse: We don’t need any freakin’ studies. From the moment we punch in until we leave at night, is all the “proof” I need. We are maxed out, there is no safety net or gatekeeper. You want to assign “beds” and we want to assign patients. That’s the big difference here. It’s nice that nursing management can spend their lovely two hour lunches on the internet harrassing frontline nurses.

    • Linda June 3, 2010 at 6:39 pm #

      Where do you work and what is your real name?

  24. beaney June 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm #

    I’ve known a few “Linds” in my career. What is really freaking them out right now is that when we strike, nursing management will be required to actually touch a patient. They will actually have to administer 37 medications all due at 0800 to 4 patients in between doing full assessments on each one. To actually have to program the hideous IV pumps you probably got kickbacks for buying. They are freaking out, so expect more of them to suddenly appear and have a “concern” as time grows nearer June 10th.

  25. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm #

    Perspective is a good thing.
    There is the nurses perspective, the hospitals perspective, the publics perspective and then there is the patients perspective…
    It just depends on where you’re standing.
    I’m a nurse standing on the patients side of the bed. This is my patient. I am responsible for my patient. I lay my license down on the line every day for my patients and I will not allow the hospital to compromise my patient or my license.
    The main reason I voted to STRIKE was because staffing issues are exactly what I am going to STRIKE for. I will fight for safe staffing and I will continue to fight for my patients that deserve safe nursing care. I am a MNA RN… I am not a whimp. I will speak up and say”H _ _ _ NO! When I know something is wrong… “I Fight for Right!”
    (I know the hospitals public relations hounds are going to bite this one.)

    • Linda June 3, 2010 at 9:05 pm #

      Please share your name and where you work also. It would be great for everyone to use full name and place of employment.

  26. beaney June 2, 2010 at 5:01 pm #

    As nurses we carry the ultimate responsibility, the lives and safety of our patients. Life and death decisions, assessments, responses are made hourly on each one of our patients. We make decisions based on our training and sometimes, from a lifetime of experience at the bedside. The hospital expects and demands we hold this responsibility, and we do it well. We have long since accepted the physical and mental stress as the price we pay for the satisfaction of helping another human in need.
    HOWEVER, the hospitals now want us to be 100% responsible, yet have 0% input or authority in decison making on what safe staffing is. They demand professional accountabilty, but want to treat us like toddlers.

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 7:20 pm #

      Very well said TK! You’ve got the heart and soul of a true RN! I would still be alright with having to follow you after your shift. At least I know that you would have tried to do your best and tried not to leave your shift with untied and outstanding issues. What I am not alright with is the hospitals that are streatching us this thin. It is the hospitals that are asking more of us than what is realistic, it is not safe for us our or our patients that are in our care. It is the hospitals that are trying to make us feel that we now need to carry the weight of their responsibilities on our backs as well. What they ask is wrong. They ask us to compromise our patients care and they are asking us to this on our licenses as RNs. I do not want a sentinel event happening to one of my patients!

  27. TK June 2, 2010 at 5:50 pm #

    The reason I voted “No,” was strictly based off the fact that despite our CEO getting this completely unfair, outlandish, rediculous bonus this year and every year, for some reason we have this new strict budget where when we’re on the “bubble” of our staffing grid, they ask us to “absorb” a patient, or not have a sitter for at risk patients because we just simply cannot afford to be over grid. Tell me how that is safe. I did NOT go into nursing for THIS. It is NOT a good feeling to go home after your shift and have to pass half of your stuff on to the next shift because you didn’t have time to look into it.
    If they would actually listen to patient’s, they would hear the numerous complaints about their call lights not getting answered for long periods of time. It’s not like we’re sitting at the desk picking our noses which some may think. Maybe management would hear this if they actually came to the floor once in awhile. I took a test on the floor with all the offices several months back and could hardly concentrate because all the higher ups seemed to be on a permanent break in the hallway chatting.

    I wish they would stop sending all these e-mails to us about patient satisfaction rates going down and acting like it’s all OUR faults. The reason patient satisfaction is going down is because you’re cutting staff!! We aren’t super men and women. It’s impossible to continue to provide excellence in care when you take away staff and add more charting!!! It breaks my heart to hear patient’s complaining to me all day long about things that could have been helped by having more staff. WE’RE the ones that have to deal with these comments, WE’RE the ones that have to take the brunt of things. And yet we get crappy e-mails from management telling us what horrible jobs we’re doing and management are the ones that get to make al l the decisions, sit in their cozy offices, and boss us around like we’re 2 year olds who don’t know anything. We work HARD for them day in and day out, and this is how they respect us. I entirely regret going into nursing and think they’re going to have problems years down the road finding nurses if this is the way they keep getting treated.

    The reason we’re all part time nurses which they LOVE to point out on the news is because we simply cannot STAND to work any more than that because we’re all burnt out. Who wouldn’t be burnt out when they are stuck with 5 patients, running around like a chicken with their head cut off, don’t get lunch breaks and can’t go to the bathroom for 8 hours? I can’t even do anything on my days off half the time because i’m so exhausted. I lost 10 lbs when I started this job because I never had time to take a break and I walk what seems like 10 miles per shift going from patient to patient.

    I read the e-mail we got today from the hospital, and honestly I don’t know who is telling the truth, only the Lord knows, but they keep talking about wanting to make it fair/consistent across the board with benefits, pay etc, well then let’s see our CEO’s pay and benefits across the board. How can you make that work??? I don’t care at all if they don’t pay me more this year, but if they’re not going to pay me more then they shouldn’t pay our CEO more. If there’s some reason we need to be stingy with our budget when we’re making huge proceeds well then i’d like to see a detailed outline of where our money is going.

    I pray that I will not harm my patient’s daily, and I truly hope that we can collaborate in a peaceful, understanding way and come to some agreement that will benefit the patient, not the higher ups.

    • Jason June 3, 2010 at 2:25 am #

      I’m Sure this will no be posted but I will try my comment anyway.

      Stop with the CEO thing – if we cut the Allina CEO pay to zero it would enable us to add about 10 nurses or incrase all Allina RNs pay by $0.16 per hour!

      This is not the solution – it just sounds petty! And no I am not sme management minion, just an economics major!

  28. JoAnn June 2, 2010 at 5:52 pm #

    This is so true. We all want to be professional and provide the best care we can as nurses.

  29. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm #

    Maureen Schriner… argued that they, being the hospitals, follow what the Joint Commission says. “The Joint Commission, who accredits us, says it’s no longer evaluating staffing levels because there was no correlation between patient safety and what staffing levels are. The Joint Commission is who we listen to.” If interested, check out the link below……just another example showing that these issues are a nation wide concern, not just something the MNA pulled out of the air to be an annoyance!

    http://www.jointcommission.org/NR/rdonlyres/244361EE-15AA-4F60-BBB1-10695C2C6B57/0/RWJ_Future_of_Nursing.pdfSee Morewww.jointcommission.org

    Joint commision states that there IS a correlation relating staffing and patient safety and patient outcomes.

    AND, wasn’t it the nurses that helped hospitals get Magnet Status? Wasn’t it the hospitals that asked nurses to help them reach this accredidation? If the clocks of time were turned back, with the hind sight that we now have, knowing that it was only their interests that they were focused on… Would the hospitals even have Magnet status? Because, one of the most importand aspects of receiving that status is how well the hospitals listen to and validate their nurses.
    To all those who are so negative in their responses, to all of those wishing to RN bash, to the RNs that chose to work in a MNA RN hospital and benefit from the union but flinch when the hard issues come up and you are asked to make a stand- when they could go to work in a non-union hospital, to the managers wearing sheeps clothing, to the PR businesses that were hired to go online or “bla bla bla” to anyone that would listen to them sprew their nonsense and spread lies and their deceit… you really should try the MNA Facebook page. They would Love you there! Really, Please go to MNA Facebook.

    • MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 7:36 pm #

      Please read this:
      If you don’t have the time to go through all of the Joint Commisions Report… I copied some of it here for you:
      The fact that registered nurses comprise 80% of professionals in the health care system, representing 2.6 million jobs, underscores their importance and impact on a health system’s delivery of patient care.1 It is the registered nurse who is on the front lines of providing direct care to patients in hospitals, emergency settings, public health arenas, home health and other venues of care. A 2000 study by Ke-Ping Yang revealed that the number of adverse events, such as most ventilator-associated pneumonia, infections, falls, and pressure ulcers, dropped as nurse staffing levels increased.2 Further, the lack of adequate nurse staffing has been attributed to one-fourth of all adverse events reported to The Joint Commission that result in death, injury or permanent loss of function.3
      Maureen Shriner, please do a better job with your facts. Remember you are the “spokesperson and representative of the hospitals” and this does not reflect well on you or the hospitals. The public shouldn’t have to research and double quess everything that you tell them. But, it may be wise if they do. The facts can not be changed just because you want the facts to be something different or because you don’t like what you are hearing… White is white, black is black, right is right and wrong is wrong.

  30. Janine E June 2, 2010 at 8:56 pm #

    I hope that you all realize how ridiculous that video makes you look. If all you really care about is staffing levels, then show that by taking the rest of the issues off the table. If you are so concerned with the patients, what about the ones that you are caring for that day? They are not as important. The risk that you pose to them doesn’t matter. Do you see it as a sacrifice that has to be made? I sure hope that it isn’t one of your loved ones that is walked out on. I hope you realize that the bad things that happen to patients on that day will be on your shoulders, because you abandoned them. I have been a nurse for over ten years and have worked in a lot of places. Nursing in Minnesota is better than anywhere that I have been. The economy is changing all around us. Why should nothing change for nurses? Why should you still get a raise and pension? There may be some among you that only care about staffing levels, but the rest of you are hiding behind what sounds good to the public.

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 11:28 pm #

      To: Janine E.
      We hope you realize how ridiculous that video makes all of you look!

  31. OldRN June 2, 2010 at 10:52 pm #

    So some of you ARE getting the point. Other states’ Nursing association web pages have INFORMATION on their pages, available for the people to read and know. No backstabbing or calling names. No demanding “are you SURE you’re a nurse?” “Where? I’m waiting!” comments. But Information.

    And make it clear. The average person does not understand “we do this because we care for our patients” – it’s a “jingle”. Use facts, not bull. Don’t give them a reason to bash you back.

    I agree with Janine – nursing here is better than any other state and I’ve worked many others. And it’s BECAUSE nurses WILL stand up and strike. But then stop talking about the money, and how other people are wrong. Take a more professional stand instead of this ugliness.

    I want to be proud of the nurses I work with again. And it doesn’t happen when smart nurses I used to respect say things like “yeah, let the hospitals suffer, that will show them we’re important!”

    Nurses ARE important!!! THERE IS NO HOSPITAL without us! But things like this video make nurses look like lemmings and does not given ANYBODY any information to think about or believe in.

    Strike with power and professional behavior, with every single nurse knowing what is going on. MAKE IT SIMPLE SO EVERY NURSE DOES KNOW. Get rid of the clutter (like millions of dollars for x or y – hospital budgets are HUGE – the dollar amount is meaningless. THE percent amount could mean something).

  32. MNA RN June 2, 2010 at 11:38 pm #

    I happen to really like the video. Maybe you just don’t like what it says… I have been looking at the facts from anywhere and everywhere I can find them. JHACO even spells it out clearly. They point me all in the same direction. I will STRIKE if I have to because it’s what I believe. If you are the minority then go to a non-union hospital and stop whining. You don’t have to strike if you’re non-union. There, problem solved for you. Better yet… Please go to MNA Facebook because they will really love to hear what you have to say there.

  33. Dorie June 2, 2010 at 11:39 pm #

    Janine E. How would you propose the nurses get their point across?? I raise this question to you. How would you like one of your family members taken care of by a nurse who is overloaded and cant give that family member appropriate care, that by the way, they are paying for. What IF that family member died because of lack of care due to under staffing?

  34. Pat June 3, 2010 at 12:15 am #

    I am not a nurse but I do work in the health care field (billing administration). I will never understand the issues from the nurse perspective. So, it’s hard for someone outside looking in to show empathy for what is happening (especially since I have not been hospitalized in a long time) thus, not able to experience first hand what nurses are experiencing. I read some of the posts on the MNA website and it seems to me alot of work is being done to discredit the other party. How does this really solve the issues at hand? He said, She said, blah blah blah….it’s like watching two kids on a playground who don’t get along. For those of us outside the ring, and with little or no patient experience, redirect your energies toward resolving the issues. The patients will be the ones suffering due to both parties stubborness. If I didn’t know any better, I thought I was in the state capital or DC watching politicians bash each other!

  35. TK June 3, 2010 at 12:16 am #

    you’re exactly right. We do have a valid argument for better staffing levels, but we’re going about it all wrong.

    I’m also a little embarrassed to be asking for some of the things we’re asking for. Besides staffing levels asking for more of things instead of just keeping it as is. (Fairview paying more towards our insurance from 90-95% when I feel like we have it pretty darn good when it comes to this compared to almost everyone out there, higher raises why not just keep it what it has been). I hope the MNA is budging when it comes to this stuff.

    I didn’t even know half of this until Fairview finally sent us this e-mail.

    • eric June 3, 2010 at 3:49 am #

      A part of negotiating is creating proposal that you can counter to the employers proposals. If you do not have some proposals created prior to negotiations starting, then you would be forced to work off of their proposals. We knew that the employer would be attacking healthcare in this current round of negotiations. The negotiation teams went into bargaining with the understanding that the employer would not say yes to any or all of our ideas, including our healthcare proposal . But the hope, as with any negotiations, is that eventually a middle ground can be found between the two sides , and some sort of agreement can be made. Think of it this way-if you are selling a car,or something else, do ask what you want or do you go a little higher in hopes to get the price you want? Same thing applies here.
      The employer has been trying to force us to negotiate on their proposals only. Therefore they are trying to dictate the conversation, minimize our input, and price fix our contract to give them the best profit margin at the expense of nurses. So what did we do to get them to talk with us? We voted to reject their current proposals and to strike. But they continue to remain silent and dismissive of our proposals. We need to get them listen to us and this can only happen with one loud voice of 12000 united nurses. When they finally hear us then the employer will start to negotiate with us about some of our proposals. That is why it is so important to sign up and be ready to strike on June 10th.

    • Jeff June 8, 2010 at 1:27 am #

      I will say again: just because some issues center around fair compensation & benefits does not mean that there is no moral component: fat-cat CEO’s making millions of dollars, 10′s of millions being poured into “facilities”, and 100′s of millions in profits while the wage-earner slowly has pay & benefits whittled away–corporate greed at its finest. And don’t say “well, nurses have it better than many others” because that is no justification. Just because others have lost adequate health care, pensions, fair pay, etc. does not mean it’s right. Remember that labor unions in this country are responsible for the 5-day work week, the end to sweatshops & child labor, fair pay, employee safety, etc. All are moral & ethical issues…

  36. Pat Foeltz, Saginaw, Mn. June 3, 2010 at 4:24 pm #

    If the hospitals REALLY cared about the patients they would use empathy and settle this here and now with fairness and enough of what the patients need to get better. We love our nurses but they are only human. Maybe the people making these decisions should spend some time in the hospital as apatient. WWJD??

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 11:24 pm #

      Thank you Pat Foeltz,Saginaw, Mn.
      Really does make you wonder WWJD?

  37. mna rn June 3, 2010 at 5:54 pm #

    thank you, linda. i appreciate your thoughtfulness and support of nurses. i appreciate your perspective and your respectful communication. i appreciate your appreciation of nurses- and the strength, compassion and creativity we have.

  38. Janine E June 3, 2010 at 8:17 pm #

    Dorie- I suggest that you earn the respect of the people that you work for so that they value your opinion. If you work somewhere that you don’t feel respected, I would suggest finding a new place to work. A strike isn’t going to earn anyone respect. It is a way of forcing someone to take your side. Nurses are vital to hospitals. There is no question of that. I believe in showing how vital I am by how hard I work everyday and the care that I provide to my patients. And, no of course, I don’t want my family to die as a result of staffing levels. Who would? But, I agree with Linda, there is so much more to it than that. We as a profession need to look at how to do our job better, more efficiently. I find myself learning and changing every day I work. The moment I stop learning how to do my job better is the moment I need to find something else to do. I have been a patient at one of the striking hospitals and my father has been at another multiple times. I saw many different ways that the nurses could be more efficient. I think that it is time to be creative in healthcare, not just for nurses, but for everyone. Healthcare is going to have to change or the system is going to completely fall apart.

  39. Steve June 4, 2010 at 12:18 am #

    I have a loved one who is RN in a metro hospital. I hear the frustration she expresses of feeling unable to always provide patient care up to the level she feels is high quality or even adequate. I also hear her frustration at the tone of the discussion from those who represent her at the negotiation table.

    The implication from the video is “My way or the highway.” There are solutions that may be palatable to management and nurses. Take for example the Designated Resource Nurse who is available to take the load off from overloaded nurses. Sometimes that nurse has four patients (or three) and still needs help. The DRN provides a valuable tool for patient safety and nurse morale.

    Why not propose having a DRN be made available on every floor at least during day shifts?

    This seems a superior solution to a strict patient to nurse ratio. Nurses will have the ability to use their judgement as to when and how to use the DRN in their particular setting. Confining negotiations to a single-solution approach seems more like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why not propose solutions everyone might be willing to consider?

    In my opinion, a less adversarial tone stands to benefit your patients.

  40. beaney June 4, 2010 at 2:43 am #

    Well Linda Usedtobeanurse, get your track shoes on. Thursday will be a reality check for you. You haven’t been at the bedside in 10 years, and have yet to experience the assembly line concept of healthcare. All your flowery poetic prose about how much you loved nursing, yet left the bedside is interesting and typical. So your solution to the staffing issue is “teamwork”? Good luck with that. Problem is, you need a team for teamwork. Actual physical bodies, not numbers on a sheet of paper.

  41. Janine E June 4, 2010 at 8:56 pm #

    I would like to address this to “beaney”. I have been a bedside nurse for the last ten years and think that Linda has a lot of good things to say. You seem like a person who could grow a lot by listening to some new ideas. I have worked with people that work well as a team and people who do not. I am always amazed by how much better a shift goes when the nurses, physicians and aides that I work with work as a team. The union is never going to get anywhere if they can’t be open minded. Health care in the US has to change, so nurses are going to have to learn how to change with it. Or find a new profession.

    • MNA RN June 7, 2010 at 3:18 am #

      To Janine E:
      Maybe it’s you that needs the new profession! Alot of MNA RNs agree with beaney. In fact 90% of MNA RNs agree with opinions and statements just like the ones that beaney makes. Remember there was a huge voting process in which 90% of MNA RNs voted to reject a proposal that would diminish nursing and compromises our patient’s safety! Oh yea, there will also be a huge gathering on June 10th! You’re invited!

  42. Justine June 4, 2010 at 11:56 pm #

    Janine E. and Linda and Steve. Not an real RN among you. The only problem with all your proposed “solutions” are that the hospitals can’t even admit there is a problem. Funny how everyone who says there is no problem, IS NOT EVEN A NURSE.

  43. Janine E June 5, 2010 at 1:17 am #

    Justine- You should know what you are talking about when you respond. I am a nurse. I have been a nurse for over ten years and have worked in the worst conditions in the world. And, made it thru doing the best that I can for the patients that I care for. I have had patients families thank me for doing what I could for their family member that died. I have coaxed a pediatric patient out from under his bed after losing his whole family. I have worked with spinal cord injuries helping them to cope with their new reality. I would be curious to know what makes you think that you are so much more of a nurse. Is it the fact that you are willing to walk out on your patient? Does that make you more of a nurse? If that creates a nurse in your mind, no I am not a “real RN”. But, I have hundreds of patients and their families that would disagree with you.

    • eric June 5, 2010 at 2:32 am #

      We are going to strike to protect our patients, protect our contract, and protect our profession. I know 100’s of pateints and families that would disagree with you. I like beany’s comments. They are witty, they show a touch of flare, sarcasm, and he or she is very knowledgable. It appears that your comments are designed to make people feel guilty about for fighting for their beliefs. MNA nurses believe that we should not have to make do. Just think how much better our jobs and team work would be if the employer prioritized patients and nurses over profits. One more question Janine are you an MNA nurse or not?

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

      To: Janine E.
      Ooh,Ooh, I think I know who you are… I bet you are one of those scabby things we’ve been hearing about.

  44. mna rn June 5, 2010 at 2:37 am #

    the thing about nurses: wherever we work and whatever we do WE CARE. and sometimes, despite our best efforts, and in our best and even (or especially?) our worst days, we CARE. those of us in the “service industry” know, as no one else might, how DEEPLY we care. we, nurses and others in the “service industry”, KNOW how important our work is- AND how de-valued our contributions are perceived. it is an unfortunate reflection of our society that the further removed one is from person-to-person contact, the more “important” the role is perceived (and, unfortunately, “valued”/re-imbursed). what we all may agree upon is that many of us, in many of the “service industries”, CARE. we CARE about people, we CARE about communities, we CARE about you, we care about US. we (NURSES) are in an unprecedented time and a unique juxtapositon to ADVOCATE for both patient (individual/person) care and professsional (“service industry”) standards. Because no matter what else, WE CARE. simply and irrevocalby: WE CARE.

  45. beaney June 5, 2010 at 2:44 am #

    “Janine E” The aroma of management is so strong from your posts, I had to open a window.
    How arrogant of you to think anyone will buy your little routine. Maybe at one time you were a nurse, just enough to color your story, but you couldn’t care less now. Just another manager crawling out of the woodwork.

  46. Janine E June 5, 2010 at 2:16 pm #

    Beaney- You don’t read well do you. I don’t work in management. I am a bedside nurse that has worked at the bedside for ten years. How arrogant, how closed minded of you to think that only those that agree with you could be bedside nurses. That is the problem it is your way or no way. How long have you been a nurse? What gives you such credentials to say who is and who is not a nurse?

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 10:05 pm #

      To Janine E:
      Ah, but are you a MNA RNs? 90% of MNA RNs spoke loud and clear… what part of what we said didn’t you hear? Oh, that’s OK. Because on June 10th we will again explain it loud and clear.

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm #

      To: Janine E.
      We know who is MNA RNs and who isn’t. If fact 90% of the MNA RNs know who their nurses are and who their nurses aren’t. Beaney just happens to know who the real MNA RNs are because of so many years of listening to hospitals, CEOs, PR poops and the reason she knows who you are is because we all know you. Your rhetoric is the same. And you leave little mouse droppings…

  47. rn4ptcare June 6, 2010 at 6:51 pm #

    Sorry Janine – Nurses have great assessment skills – We are very perceptive- We call it a “gut instict” — I don’t believe you either.
    Management is wasting their time and money posting comments on this site. We cannot be swayed!

  48. mna rn June 6, 2010 at 7:17 pm #

    i have given 115++% for my hospital. (can you say BURN OUT?!) i cannot (CANNOT) do more. and i will not(WILL NOT) do MORE for LESS. (especially without a voice.) i will give 150++% to my union. i would rather put my energy to where i can make a difference. in strength, in numbers, in integrity, in solidarity. although we may not have the pr firms and law firms and big corporate money that our hospitals seem to, we DO have nurses. many, many nurses. nurses who believe in what we do, and will do WHAT IS RIGHT. whatever it takes.

  49. beaney June 6, 2010 at 7:29 pm #

    Janine E and other Fakers: I think are just nursing executives who will have to dig out their white shoes from the bottom of the closet, and dust off the stethescopes to work the floor on Thursday. The panic is setting in, so expect to more of them to flock here, with their Imanurse stories, blathering inane platitudes about “being more creative” and “more efficient” instead of just giving us more help. They have had 3 years to listen to us. At every meeting, RN’s have PLEADED and begged with their managers for more help. Instead of listening to us, they listened to the corporations financial officers.
    So, good luck to you on Thursday, and when you are giving your 1200 meds at 1600, and ER is sending you an admission, and the confused lady down the hall just slipped in pee and and is on the floor, and the alarm is ringing for someone in Vtach: Just be creative, ok?

    • mna rn June 6, 2010 at 7:35 pm #

      although i somehow suspect the patient load and acuity will be tailored to the prima donna scabs, i do like that advise to them, beaney, “just be creative, k?”

    • MNA RN June 6, 2010 at 10:21 pm #

      Yeah Beaney!

  50. Janine E June 6, 2010 at 10:25 pm #

    I would love to meet anyone who calls me a fake nurse in person. I would love to hear your stories and share mine. As a bedside nurse, I choose not to wear white shoes because they seem to be unrealistic with the body fluids that find their way to them where I work. If they work for you, by all means dust them off Beaney. And, I will be working at my hospital as we are not striking, so I will not be there to take over your patients (except in the sense that they will probably prefer coming to our hospital that day.) I will be getting my assessments done and passing my meds just as I have done for ten years. If you want more help from me, I invite you to apply for a position on my unit because we work great as a team. Oh and by the way, I have spent time working in Boston, Tampa and Minnesota, but Haiti has topped them all. I would be happy to show the pictures of the people that I cared for and the things that I did. If you still view me as a fake nurse, I guess that says more about you than me. Lucky for me, all of that has given me a whole new perspective on life. Best of luck to you all on Thursday. I hope that you find what you are looking for. More important to me, best of luck to the patients that you leave behind.

    • beaney June 6, 2010 at 11:57 pm #

      If your hospital is not striking, then what the heck are you doing here, bothering people? This does not even involve you, yet here you are blabbering about solutions that won’t even effect you. I forgot to mention that those same nurse executives got bonuses when staffing was under budget. A system that REWARDS inadequate, sub-standard patient care is SICK.

  51. Janine E June 7, 2010 at 2:30 am #

    I didn’t realize that it was bothersome to share ideas and opinions. Most people learn and grow from that. They should make this a private site. And, unfortunately, this “nursing” strike reflects on the profession as a whole. You may try to learn something from people that work different places from you rather than calling it “bladdering”. I have definitely learned good and bad things every place that I have worked. I guess that response means that you don’t want to share stories. Maybe you realized that you shouldn’t call someone a “fake nurse” without knowing anything about them?

    • MNA RN June 7, 2010 at 3:24 am #

      To Janine E:
      It’s not at all bothersome to share ideas and opinions… It’s just you that is bothersome!

  52. MNA RN June 7, 2010 at 6:22 am #


    To all the TCH, CEOs, managers, scabs (icky creatures).

    MNA RNs! And they wonder what we are fighting for! How many reasons do we have to give… How many examples do they need to see!
    JUNE 10th MNA RNs stand up united and say:”ENOUGH!”

    Dear PUBLIC!

    You NEED to see this story that just aired on FOX 9 News. Please click the link below to watch!Minnesota Nurses Prep for Strike
    MINNEAPOLIS – On Thursday, Minnesota nurses will go on strike. With the strike, they plan to reveal stories as to why more staffing is essential.

    • MNA RN June 7, 2010 at 6:36 am #

      This is also on MNA Twitter! Needs to be added to MNA Facebook and everywhere else we can get it! Should be added to the MNA blog site!

  53. Curious June 7, 2010 at 6:37 pm #

    Just curious… what ELSE is in the disputed contract that the hospitals are resisting?

    How can I be certain that MNA’s claims about nurse:patient ratios are the whole story?

  54. MTRHealth IV Pumps July 26, 2010 at 3:28 pm #

    Yes, the IV pumps can be quite difficult to program if you don’t get the right ones.

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